Welcome to the Nobody Knowz podcast with Callie Zamzow. Join us for conversations with local changemakers and hear the stories that don't always get told. It'll be honest, messy and beautiful. Touching and humorous. Slow down for a glass and pull up a chair. This is the Nobody Knows podcast. Welcome to Nobody Knows. I'm your host, Callie Zamzow, so I want to start off by thanking our sponsor, Zamzows. We really appreciate that they are willing to support this podcast. And, in honor of that, we have a tip of the week from Zamzows. I know it's surprising, right? This is actually kind of a cool tip. Because it's going to save you some money. So Zamzows is is having on, between January 22nd and January 26th of 2026, in case you're listening to this, in the future, they're having a Buy More, Save More, which, by the way, I had to look up because they have BMC. And I wasn't sure what that meant, but buy more, save more, sale and it's on Bird Blox. 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And if you buy three, you get $18 off. So you could be feeding the birds all winter long if you take advantage of the sale. Again. It's happening January 22nd through the 26th, 2026. Okay, now I don't even know where to begin with introducing this guest. He he is the producer of this show, and I guess I kind of. There's two producers for the audio and the audio side. Yeah, the audio guy. Jodi Sali, welcome. Hi. It's. So it's kind of fun to have you, like, on this side of the room. Dream come true for me. Great. I'm going to list off these things because I wasn't even aware of all this. Oh, this the stuff? So, you've probably heard his voice more times than you even know in this valley. Because your voice is used a lot. You're kind of a voice guy, and you can, like, you were Santa on the. Samsung's my boss. I was Santa and Santa. I've been elves and very merry. You are. You are very, very. This is true. You're the audio producer of Nobody Knows podcast. You have 30 plus years, are you? Not that you're not that old. There's no way. 30 plus years older than you. You are significantly older than me. We'll talk probably talk about that at some point. So yeah, in radio and media production 30 plus years. And that's you. So you started as a teenager. You literally started in high school. Wow. Yeah. Okay, we'll get to that. You were a voiceover artist for countless radio and TV commercials. Lots. That's phenomenal. I want to hear some of those. I don't suppose we have any of them. I can't. I'm trying to get this page to turn. Okay. You are also, the director of audio production at 116 and West. Which is how I came to have you with all of this. Yeah. I've been here for nine years. Gosh, that's a long time. It's. I spent a long time in radio. That was career one. And then I was always I always wanted to be agency side. Really? Yeah. Because there's budgets and just to. You're right. That's no fun. Yeah. The work looks just better. Yeah. So it was one of those things where why always want to do that? And then, my sister, who happens to be the CEO of 116 and West, well, that was the final bullet point. I had her on the podcast not too long. She was great. She was great on the show. It was. It was? Yes, she was phenomenal. She's Caroline Lodge. She's one of the smartest people I know. She's awesome. It's funny because people are like, what's that like, working for your sister? Like, have you met her? She's like, wicked smart and, like, super amazing at business. It's awesome. And she's amazing at building culture. So I love your relationship. The two of you together. Like, you're just. You're such, You're just. You're what siblings should be. No. Thank you. You're welcome. There's one other I'm going to call out one of my friends from college. Her name is Isabel. We call her Tibby. And, Isabel, I swear, has the best brother in the universe. Like they're the most loving, couple of, you know, they're just. They're just the greatest brother sister combo. And I would say that you and Caroline are right there with them because. And we have a brother, too. Oh, yeah. Jason, he's a CPA. Dang that. I don't need to say anything else. He's a numbers guy. He's like, wait, so wait a minute. Because you have very. Because Caroline's very left brain organized. So you have a couple of organized. Oh, I'm the black sheep. Yeah. Okay. That does not surprise me. Yeah, it's. But I actually, I have that side of the brain, too. Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of a middle of the. Yeah. Because I love, like, physics and I the math stuff. I'm like, yeah, but I love physics. Okay. That type of stuff. I see that. All right. Well, so, and I've talked a little bit already about this, but let's, let's kind of talk about your, your years in radio, like, that's so it's really you were you're a pretty young. Oh, yeah. Was still in high school when I very first started. So did you. It was so like a calling was like, I just really need to be on radio. Or was it like, oh, this is a job? No, there was a phone call. So, actually kind of a funny story. So I was on student council at Borah High School. And so when we were doing our graduation party for obviously being a graduate, I was on that committee. And so with your everybody had different jobs. And one of the the moms that was volunteering her job was to call local radio stations to get donations for, like cassette tapes, which I don't even know what that means. I'm so sorry. These tapes and shirts and stuff like that. And so in one of our meetings, she's like, yeah, I didn't get anything. And of course I'm like, that's that's weird because I know those guys. We get stuff to give away. We should I that's weird. And she's like, maybe you should try. And I was like, I'm totally going to try it. And I was like, oh, she totally got me. And so I did, because I, I got something from every radio station I called. And so when I was talking to the program director at Kiss 92, the country radio station, still is a country radio station. I was going to say. Yeah, it still is. Everybody flipped formats at some point. They've they used to be a rock station prior to that, but it wasn't Kisen. It was, it was FM was a kiss FM. And then that turned into kiss in 92, which became country to take on the perennial powerhouse kickback, which has now flipped. Yeah. Interesting. I'm just I, I all I can think about is KF 95 because that's all I listen to the f 95 and big Jack. Yes. Yeah. Barnyard. Yep yep. So anyway, I was I'm talking to him on the phone. I go, he says, hey, can you can you do me a favor? And I'm like, yeah, because I'll, I'll do you a favor if you can help me out with something and I'll get you a bunch of stuff. And I'm like, sweet, what's up? He's like, do you know, maybe somebody that's got a good voice, maybe staying in town after they graduate? Going to Boise State? I'm looking for a part time. Part time, like to hire somebody. And of course, I was like, boy, do I ever. How about me? And he laughed. And he's like, well, I'll tell you what. When you come down and get this stuff, why don't you carve out a little bit of time? We'll we'll make a tape of you and suit you. Sound like which the first time you ever hear your voice like, oh, it's like, is that what I sound like in real life? I sound like an idiot. I hate it, so I went down to the radio station and they had reel to reel machines. So we recorded some audio and I was like, oh man, nope. So he ended up offering me a job as a part time DJ and I turned it down. Oh, because you didn't think you were good at. I just know what he wanted. So he was hiring for the overnight weekend job. Oh. So I would work Friday night from 11 p.m. until 6 a.m. the next morning, Friday and Saturday. Oh, and I'm a social butterfly. So I'm like Especially back then. Oh yeah. I was like no way. So then I I actually went to church with Dave Arthur who was he was on magic 93.1. I think he might have been on cap 95 as well. So he was the sound guy at my church. And so I, he was doing a remote at a movie theater, and I was listening to the radio on my way home. And so I stopped and I was like, hey, I have an opportunity to get this job. What do you think? And he looked at me and he goes, read an idiot. Take it like you don't have any experience. You're in high school, for crying out loud. Take the job. So by the time I got home, Ken O'Brien, who was the program director, had called back and left a message with my mom, and they ended up bumping my pay up a dollar an hour. He was like, I'd love to hire you. So I was like, okay, before I graduated high school, I started training and then my very first On-Air shift was June 11th, 1993. Wow. And it was terrifying. So I went by Jodi Stewart. Okay. Which is kind of funny because I was like in radio, there's like a tradition to change your name for whatever reason. And there's some weirdos out there, which I was like, oh, that's why, but I so I had post-its all over the studio with Jodi Stewart because we decided on that name, like right before my first shift. Oh, so you didn't want to accidentally call yourself the wrong? No. So there was this moment where I'm doing this break, you know, and you're like, okay, ozone and Christian attitude, blah, blah, blah. And I go, my name is Jodi, and I blanked. It was like, and it wasn't that long, but it was probably a two second delay. Like it felt like it was ten minutes. I'm like, Jodi, you can see the clock tick, tick, tick. Like Stuart. Was funny. I was like, I was an idiot, I don't know, but how did how how did you come up with Stuart like I didn't my that guy Ken did. He's like, yeah. And he was like classic. Oh, hey, Jodi. Like so Art Gregory. Right? I said, that sounded like Gregory. Classic, classic radio voice. How about, Jodi Stewart? I'm like, sounds great. So that's great. Yeah. So that's how we landed on it. But I was all kinds of different names throughout, like I did traffic reporting. So I was, Glenwood. Oh, I was a traffic reporter. I was Kid Walker, I was Stewart Smart. I was like, all these silly names. It was so, so. But all of those are there. I mean, there were just the pseudonyms that you created for various. Yeah, for different radio stations that a different traffic reporter for each one of them. So, so, so, so the whole idea that people would think that you were a different person, like literally they would think, I don't know. I don't know if people would put it together when I'm not the type of person. So when I very first started, it was mom and pop radio stations. So it was like, I think the biggest radio station group in town, Charlie Wilson, owned, and he had cable y and kickback. That was it name in an FM. Well, then the FCC deregulated radio, and that's where you saw a bunch of like Clear Channel and J. Corps and all these big giant radio entities buying up all these stations and then implementing technology to be able to voice track different radio stations. And so it kind of killed the the sweetness and the fun of radio because it became corporate. Yeah. But there was a time where I was on I was on three different radio stations as a deejay, all in that same time slot because you could prerecorded. Oh, sure. But did you sort of alter your voice a little bit for each one? You just totally just what? You just but I went I was on 96.9 The Eagle for a little bit and I was Jimmy James I don't yeah I just that was funny Jimmy James and the Dark Side of the day because I did the overnights. Oh that's funny. Yeah. I wish I could go back in time because I know I heard you. Oh, I know, but I didn't probably have a call. Well, that's so I don't know if you remember when you met me was when I was doing radio. I don't I don't remember that. Yeah I did, I was out at the bars all the time. Well I would that wouldn't be me. Find me as. That's I think I think if I remember right the first time I met you was the Rock n rodeo. Oh, great. Yeah, that's probably was a good side of me then he. Oh, you were very, very friendly. Oh, okay. This is going south really fast. Yeah, I did, I did remotes, I set up remote, I did a whole bunch of different things in radio. And it was it was so much fun. I had a blast. That's cool. That's really cool. Was there a moment where you were just like, okay, this is totally what I, I actually had it. I actually had a few of them. Yeah, yeah. So when, when I was doing just by myself, it's a very different thing. And I remember, like, just funny stories. I remember reading a Jeff Foxworthy joke. He had put out a book and it was the weirdest thing to to read a joke and laugh and have it be silent on the other end. Oh yes, it was so weird. I was like, whoa! But at that time I just kind of shifted and even my boss was like, I don't know what clicked, but you sound great. And I was like, I don't know. It was we had hired a new morning show and I guess I was trying to impress him. I don't know, I was like, this is fun, I love this. And then the next iteration of that was when, I had left and then I had come back and I started doing the morning show with Mike Kasper. Oh, yeah. And it was right before we hired Kate McGuire. She is one of the funniest gals. Oh, she is fantastic. She would be fun to have on this podcast. I make note. Yeah, I'll get over it. But, when that morning show started to really click, so it was me, Mike and Kate. So it was Mike, Kate and Jody. And it's funny because people are like, oh yeah, and I just went by Jody. I didn't have a last name. It was weird. It's Mike Kasper, Kate McGuire, and Jody. And that was kind of like the weird balance between those two. And I did all kinds of crazy stunts and oh gosh, again, I wish I had that. I would love to replace some of those and just remind myself, because I know I was a listener back then. I just I just was apparently not. I got kicked out of the airport for giving people hugs because it was National Give a Hug day. Oh, it's security's like you need to go. I was like, do you need a hug? And they're like, no, no, no, it is funny. Later, yeah, 20 years later, it's hilarious. I tried to, I tried to find a a company for having Christmas lights up after Christmas. Oh, and I, I got all the way to their corporate controller. I, they transport him because I refused to walk. So they shuttled me across the street. But the whole time I was there, like, what's your name again? And I, I kind of was channeling my inner Chris Farley. And so I was like, super loud. But I had like this microphone on a clipboard. So everything was live on the air. So it wasn't recorded. So we had no idea what we were going to get. And then I had an earpiece in and they were Mike and Kate were back at the studio trying to tell me, like things to say or things to do. It was hysterical, and they finally kicked me out. Oh my gosh, that was a pretty funny start because I, I like guys like, who are you again? And our general manager at the time was a guy named Kevin Godwin. And he's like, what's your name? And I'm like Kevin Godwin. And I got in trouble for that. I was going to say he's like, why did you use my name? And I'm like, it just came. Yeah, rolled off the old time. But I had like a whole he's like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, I'm with the Department of Decorative Exteriors. And he's like, what? And I'm like, it's a thing. Look it up. My God, it was. And I had like $10 per white bulb and $15 per blue bowl. I got this all fine. We're all set up. And it was just impromptu. It was really fun, though. Can you can people do that nowadays? Is that it's their story? I don't I don't know, man. Yeah. Like, it seems like we've gotten too serious about everything. I think so too. Yeah, yeah, but everybody needs to take a breath. It's just a joke. Yeah. It's okay. This life happening is what I like to say. Come. Sorry. Back up again. But you mentioned very briefly, Art Gregory, can we just for a half a moment, do a little shout out to him for people who don't know who he is, he. Well, yeah. Do you want to describe. And then he also was Sam Zos, head of marketing for 33 years. He just retired. So yeah, art is an encyclopedia of history. Yes, yes. He will bring up stuff that I forgot about, about myself. And like he it's amazing the the retention of what he has in his brain. But he is like I kind of think of him as kind of the guardian of Idaho history in terms of radio and a little bit of TV, but mostly radio. And he's like, the guy is brilliant, man. One of the most genuine, nicest guys. Yeah, absolutely. He was doing so I transitioned to off the air in 2002 to production. So that was the other moment. So I know moment being on the morning show and then Mike and Kate left and went to a different radio station. That was awkward. Because I didn't know. Oh they came in on a Monday and I well actually Mike was mysteriously absent and Kate was super grumpy and I'm like what is going on. And then about a half hour after we got off the air I found out they're leaving. So they went over to mix 106 okay. And I'm like, have fun. Thanks. Thanks for not taking me so I transition. That's strange, but I guess that's how those things happen. It's just how it works. Yeah, yeah. And and I mean, I hate the phrase it's not personal, but it wasn't. Yeah. It was just it didn't make sense. The budget didn't make sense for them to move and take three people. It made sense to move and take two. Right. So and I got it. And it actually opened up a door for me where I ended up shifting into production. And that's how I became the production director at Citadel. And that's when I everything clicked and I was like, oh my gosh. I mean, it's it's creative, it's writing, it's organization. I absolutely loved it. And I was never like the big deep voice guy there. That's Chris Adams. He was in this market for a long time, so he's the guy. I don't think I told you the story states rents he's the guy. And Lee Reed jewelers. Oh yes. Yes. Leary I can't even do it. Just it's pretty good. Huge huge thick voice. He awesome. So I was like, okay, that's not me. So who am I going to be in terms of creative? And so I, I remember distinctly going, I want to be the best at doing creative production, and I want to be known in the northwest. For him, that was my that was my goal. And so I, you know, you kind of learn the ropes of doing stuff and then writing and then what makes radio work and how do you how do you write and how do you produce and the voices and all the different things of how do you make all that stuff work to, to be impactful for clients? Because if you have a friendly and courteous staff, congratulations. We're not putting that in your right. Right. And don't put your phone number in there because that's and I would always ask people, I'm like, when is the last time that you called a business off of a radio and right. And they're like, whoa, you have to have a pen and paper to write it down, or you have to remember it. And I'd always take out my phone and be like, right here, they're going to look it up. Yeah. So and I would preach that all day long. But that was a fun a really fun chapter. Well, I so can we shift a little bit to, to that because I, because you also are now helping us create commercials asking themselves create commercials. And as part of the talent I use that loosely, I, I get coached by you and it is a really unique experience for me because you you have an ear. I almost said, I have an eye for a voice. I have two eyes and I have two ears. I'm a full human. It's amazing. I'm friendly and courteous as well. So when you're working with me, I. There are things that you hear that I don't pick up on at all. And sometimes you'll stop and you'll play it back for me and say to how your your voice went up here, I'd like it to go down. And here's why. Where did all those tiny, itty bitty nuances like, where is that just over time that you figured that out? Or do you think there's a natural because honest to God, I shouldn't confess this, but I am. Sometimes you'll be like, did you did it, edited it? Did you hear that? Like the difference? I'll be like, well, just tell me, exactly how did you just say no to get it? And then if I say right, like, oh yeah, you got it that time. Let me. Thank you. Thank God. So it comes from the 10,000 times of doing it. Yeah. But it also comes from a musical background. I approach everything that I do in terms of music. So I'm listening to timing, I'm listening to cadence, I'm listening to tone. But over the course of doing like, I don't even know how many radio spots I produced easily 15 to 20,000. Wow. I mean, it's a lot. Yeah, but I'm kind of a nerd on certain things. And so I just I researched and I read different things and they did some workshops and, and there's, I mean, I love the learning element of that. But when you approach it musically, then everything clicks. So if you go, one of the examples that I give a lot is if you go too quickly from one tone to another, it doesn't sound right. So there's but it feels right. Jody. Sometimes it just feels right. What's really crazy is I can get in very granularly and be like, okay, when you did it this way, that felt better. But why did it feel better to say it that way? And I always default to how would you say it? And or if you're telling me a story, what's the difference? So if I say I always use the analogy, that's a fast car. And I was like, what's the fastest car you've written? And so what's the difference between that's a fast car and that's a fast car? Yeah. And all I'm doing is elongating the f a fast. I'm stretching out car. There's all these little things, the little nuances of stretching and talking fast and going really, really fast. And I talk about hands and I talk about whether or not you're leaning forward. Yeah. Back. Yes. What are your eyes on this one? Yes. On this one I want you to raise your eyebrows and I'm like, what? Okay. And then I say it and you're like, listen to the difference. I'm like, what? It's great. It's like magic. And it's really funny. I talk to people that I've because I worked with all kinds of clients throughout the Treasure Valley for a long, long time. And I get this a lot. They're like, hey, have you been? I'll see them. You know, I still hear you in my head, but I'm like, yeah, what am I saying? They're like, smile, raise your eyebrows. But it all translates. So I mean, and you it's what's really interesting is your subconscious tracks it. You can hear things in the tone of voice. You can hear if if I'm in, if I'm engaged, you can hear it. Yeah. It's true. And so good storytellers like I mean Paul Harvey is, is one of the greats of and I utilize his and on the eighth day God made a farmer. And if you go back and and this was a really interesting click for me because I didn't dig into too much of what he did, the craft of what he did until I got to voice over a, thing that we did for. So Ed Moore is our, CEO. He's the founder of 116. West was Davis. Moore was MG, so he got the silver medal award for the Boise AD Federation or Idaho at Federation. So we did a deal of and on the eighth day, God made an ad man. He had to be. And so I emulated Paul Harvey's Farmer. But what I didn't realize was how good it was. And when you when you have to replicate it. Yeah, you're like, oh, wow, he didn't do a ton of up and down in terms of his tone. His was all cadence. Yeah. And it was beat up and oh, it's fascinating. But when people tell stories and they get really, really excited and they're like, oh my gosh. And I'm going really, really fast. And then they get to the really super exciting part. Oh my gosh, it's fun. It's so great. It's it's really, it's fun to watch you work. And the other part of what you do that is very intriguing to me is the actual computer part, because like, for the listener, you can imagine, you know, they're like they're lines like, it's like reading The Matrix. Yeah. There you go. It is, it's there you go. And I can't really read it, but I know what it I know what it is. So as I'm, as I'm kind of going through stuff and editing and I edit, you edit so fast that it's like it's stunning and it's really fun to watch. And I don't have time like, oh, how did he know what you do? Read it out and you're like, click, click, click. And you're removing things and just from looking over your shoulder, I'm like, what? Like he just took a whole chunk out it. How did he know that that was a part that was the bad part. Like I just have you ever seen the Lego Movie? I have, so when Lloyd. That one. Yeah. When he figures out he's a master builder and he can see it, that's kind of what my brain does. I just. I can hear it. So when I'm recording something, my brain is taking notes of like, yes, no, no. Yes, yes. Ooh. Do that again. And so I'm always getting alts and I'm always getting different variations of whatever it is that you're saying. And then when I edit, I'm putting together what makes the most sense. And there's, it's kind of funny because I, I hold editing a lot with an open hand sometimes. I don't know which one it's going to be till I get there. And the funniest part is when I have to go reedit something and I reedit it the same way, then I'm like, I guess, like I grab the same thing, I'm like, oh, that's cool. I grab the same one. I always think it's interesting because you'll say, give me another ending, you know? But I want you to go down on it this time. I like or slow it down. Or do you like to put your say, give me like three different endings? And I always find that interesting because I won't know until I hear the commercial. And then when I hear the commercial, I'm like, I don't even remember which ending that was. Yeah, it's it's the old school way of doing voiceover was they would do it in one take most of the time because it was all done on reel to reel. So when with the introduction of computers, it changed how you do that. So I was on the back end of the reel to reel era. So my very first commercials that I did, I did on a reel to reel and then I upgraded. So it's a two channel, and then I upgraded to a four channel, which I was like, oh, this is amazing because you could do some cool stuff. And then I upgraded to an eight channel, which the big old giant thick tape. It was really cool. And then I in college, I actually did a dramatic read of Edgar Allan Poe's The Raven. Oh, and it was really fun because I put it to music and did all kinds of cool stuff. It was a lot of fun. And then I transitioned to doing the digital stuff. But but because of how you can do it, what you can do, it changed my approach to doing voice work. So when I would work with older people that had done voice work, they struggled with my direction on it and they're like, oh, why can't I just do the whole thing? I'm like, just trust me, do it this way. And then when I would put it all together, they'd be like, oh, well, it sounds really good. I guess you know what you're doing. So going back to the when it was real to real, you literally had to find the spot, cut it, cut it with a razor blade, and then you had to seal it back together again. Like, where did you had what was called splicing tape and you put it back together. The worst would be when you're because you do that live on air too. So you had guys that were the best at this with like there would be pieces of, of reel to reel tape on the floor. It would be a total mess. But that the craft of doing that and how quickly they could do it and they'd be in their real breath. They're written, you're trying to find the exact moment. And then they would splice it and then they would put the tape on it. But everybody had their own tape because the worst thing would be you'd be playing this great phone recording of like, somebody's doing whatever, right. And, and then the, the splice would come off and they would go. You know, like, oh no, that was so funny. And it just the tape broke. Oh gosh. That's awesome. That's like olden years. I that had been a while before I was born, whereas before color came in much, much before you. Oh, I should probably reveal to the audience that were what we decided. We're one month apart and. But you are definitely older, so let's just make sure everybody's aware of that. Very wise. Yes. We could we can tell my babies in general. Oh yeah, that's what we're great. Well, so part of what I, I really enjoy about you, and you've already exemplified it in just the bit of time that we've been talking is the storytelling part. Yeah. And you are. You are the consummate storyteller. I you just you always have a story about something. It's one of the things that I love about our podcast is that we, you know, beforehand and after. And while we're working through things, there's all these wonderful stories that come up. Is that just it must be innate is that if you've always been a storyteller. Yeah, yeah. So I'm short this is it's it's relevant. Okay. But what I figured out was that personality trumps a bunch of different things. And and I, I've always just had a, a personality and I just kind of I realized that and kind of leaned into it a little bit. I'm, I'm pretty quick witted. I think I'm funny. You are funny I will I'm going to validate that. So I think it's kind of a funny thing when you realize that you actually I like I worked in radio and I was on a morning show and I got paid for being funny, I am funny, I'm being paid for being funny. This is awesome. Is there pressure when you're being paid to be funny, like I said? Or do you just, you know, the funniest thing we always had like a run of show type of thing. We always knew kind of where we were going. But the best moments were the impromptu stuff that just went sideways. And I got to work with two really, really funny people, Mike and Kate were so much fun to work with. I contend that it was a better morning show with me on it. Well, that's. But but it was fun. We I mean, we had it was so much fun and we got in trouble on certain things and but that was it. I mean, you just you kind of explored where the boundaries were and you did funny things and, and you took risks and you had fun doing it. You and I have talked a lot about the fact that storytelling is it's it's kind of at the crux of who we are and, and the joy of things. You've talked about this podcast at various times, especially as we were kind of forming it and, and, you know, we had our first few guests and we kind of and you very quickly simmer down the fact that this was about storytelling. Oh, yeah. What tell me about that process as far as understanding storytelling and and recognizing it when it's important for something like a podcast. I mean, for a podcast, for sure, because a podcast is really just a conversation. Right? So the way that I kind of equate podcast, you and I are just having a conversation and somebody else just kind of saddled up to the bar and is listening, and they're part of it. And they you can draw them and that's why it's one of the reasons I think radio will never die, truly. But podcasting is really it's the same thing. It's just storytelling content. So there's one of the best nuggets of advice I ever got. Working in radio was be entertaining, be informative, or be quiet. And that really stuck with me because there's a lot of big personalities that work in that business. If you try and compete with them, sometimes it doesn't work and it's just, it's crazy. But if you learn kind of the rhythm of that, it works. And it works in real life, if you're the one that's constantly talking all the time and people are like, oh gosh, are we going in? The storytelling is I mean, it's it's the connective tissue of humanity. I mean, historically speaking, that's how history was relayed. The storytelling. And most of the time it was sitting around a campfire. Or, I mean, if you think about all the stories that you're that your dad would tell. Yeah, it's at a dinner table, it's in the car. It's all those different places where stories are passed from generation to generation, or from friend to friend or whatever it happens to be. But it's it's finding those connective threads that are the commonality of humanity. Yeah, right. Humor, kindness for this podcast specifically, it's about the Treasure Valley. It's got threads of women in leadership, but leadership doesn't know gender. Right. And leadership is not a position. It's its influence. Right. It's all connected into this big giant thing that I'm one of my favorite words is intentionality. Most of the people on this podcast are intentional about something. It's about building a culture. It's about leading a university. It's about starting a business and following a passion. It's about for you. It's about connecting different people and and telling the stories that people might not know. Yeah, but people love story. They love. They like, oh my gosh, I did not know that. Did you hear about Blankety Blank? That. And that's the beauty of it. Yeah. And everybody everybody has a story. Yeah. Everybody is important. Yep. But not everybody can tell a good story. No, no I think there's a gift to that. I think so too. So what do you think? Look, let's say that somebody is listening and they're like, boy, I would really like to be a good storyteller. Do you think you could simmer down, like, what are some of the elements that a person would need to or maybe what are the elements of a good story? Maybe that's it. Well it depends. Are you reading it or are you speaking it? Oh, well, in this case, we're speaking it. So presentation is a big deal. How do I engage you? One of the things that I absolutely love is the live presentation of stuff. So, Matthew McConaughey, his book greenlights. Number one, it's a great book. Number two, don't read it. Listen to it. Oh really I want to pick apart what I just did right there. I paused. So the presentation of what I just did was I said don't read it. Pause pause pause. The point of the pause is to allow your brain to process that. I've got you. So that's a tool, right? The pause you have to give time for, for your brain or the person that's listening to engage in the conversation and be part of it. If you don't give any pauses, there's no room to think. There's no room to to get into the conversation. If you listen to the book versus read it, you will get a completely different experience. Is it Matthew? Actually read Matthew? Can you get into his head and you hear the voices and you hear the creativity involved in the book, and and he he does things off mic and he and there's there's funny things and he he tells stories about where he was in, Australia for a student exchange. He does the voices of the people and there's Matthew. Matthew. But just the way he tells his story, he has you. And it's so it's so different as an experience to hear him read his story. It's so cool. Do you think for in his case, he probably because I'm thinking about my kid who's going through all this. You know, she's she's learning about the performing arts and she's when she tells me some of the things she's do, I'm like, wait, what? That's like, you're you're you spend a half an hour working out your cheeks, like, I like, what are you doing over there? And but and so he probably Matthew McConaughey probably was trained in that way. So but you have this you have this ability to. You didn't you weren't. You weren't professionally trained to do that. You just done it over time. Is that correct? Yes. I mean, there's part of it, but there's I mean, there's a performative element. So I'm I'm a singer. So I've been involved and stuff like that. I, I love theater, even though I didn't do a lot of it I still love it. Yeah. And it's. And what's not to love. Oh it's some it's so much fun. I think it's life changing. I like a really good show and you come out a different person. One of the most interesting experiences that I did, I acted in a play at my church, and it was two guys, and there were is very, very minimal props. And so it was all imagination and the presentation of the play. Right? I thought it was like a five minute skit. It was not a five minute skit. It was like a 50 minute long play where there's two people. So the amount of, I guess, dialog that is involved to memorize was that was like, oh geez, what did I get myself into? But once you got it figured out, the ability to present that and draw people into the story where it was, it was about their imagination because there wasn't that much props. I mean, it was yeah, it was very, very minimal. But it was so much fun to draw people into the imagination, which is one of the reasons I love audio production, because your imagination is $1 trillion budget movie set. There are no limits to it. It's what I can paint. Yeah, and it it can be anything. And the beauty of it is when you have the concept closure of what it is, it's the reason that when you read a book and never quite matches up, the book's always better than the movie, even though the movie's great, because your imagination, your imagination is going to trumpet every single time. Yeah. So I say this a lot. I know I've said this to you before, or I would like to to spend a moment in your brain. I don't want to spend a ton of time on anybody else. I'll get it out. But I think that would be fascinating because of that very thing, because we all see the world differently. We all have all of our own experiences that have created and, shaped how we see things, how we process things, how we feel emotions like it's all and all of that is a part of how you receive and take in a story that somebody else is telling you. So you just keep an eye on something that's really cool. Emotions, emotion is is the mover. If I can get you engaged in the story, like emotion moves way, way more than statistics. Yeah, I can give you a ton of numbers and it just doesn't. But why? Why does why do numbers not resonate? They're there because there's no story. There's no there's no rest. I call it resonance. What's the resonance that connects? That makes it powerful? You know, it's so funny because I, I, I struggle with that with the numbers for sure. As far as creating the story, my husband does it very well. He can look at numbers and then he and I'll be like, I don't know, what does this mean? And then he is the one who will be like, this is what it means. And he's fantastic at turning numbers into a story. And that's a gift. It's a huge game. I mean, not everybody has that know. I think it's literally he sees the world totally differently than I do, which is phenomenal. I just I love but you need it and that's that. That is the beauty of the story of humanity is you need each other. Yeah. You need the person that disagrees with you. You need that because it sharpens your blade. And that to me, that is the key is surrounding yourself with people that don't always agree with you. And that's okay. It's okay to be wrong. It's okay to be right. It isn't about that. It's about working together to find the best right answer. And sometimes it's a moving mark. Yeah, a lot of times it is. Okay. So let's go there. Soft notes by the way. But let's go there. So you're so you're you're you have this premise I totally agree with it. We're in a very divided state right now. Actual state and in general the state of of everything of everything. Right. And and we keep hearing people say that. Then people say, well, we just need to we got to sit down and we need to conversations and, and I think there's plenty of us that are open to doing it. There's not a lot of venue for doing it. Where, where how is this going to happen? How are we going to go from where we are now? We're we're very divided and where we we all really all I talk to you all talk to you all the time to actually having these kind of, these difficult conversations that need to be had and where we where we share open heartedly our, our, our perspective while also listening to somebody else's perspective to come up with a joint solution. Yeah, that we can all live with. The vulnerability is that's a big deal because it's not about being right. That's the first thing. It's not about being right. There's multiple ways to skin the proverbial cat. Yeah. And sometimes the immediate solution is not the best solution. Sometimes the immediate solution is the best right answer for the immediacy. But it's not the best right answer for 20 years down the road. Right. So there's different perspectives in terms of looking at and all that stuff. But it's the same thing with strategy. For marketing a product, you need to land on a strategy, but there's a bunch of right answers and you have to narrow in on, well, what do you want to do? What's the metric that you're measuring? So that to me, part of the big conversation that's happening right now is there's too many metrics. There's so many metrics, and there's there's really good things that are happening in terms of motive. But how do you get it done right? That that idea of the three levers I love like I it's either going to be good or it's going to be faster or expense, right. Yeah. Cheap. It's it's the same principle again. What's the metric that you're measuring. How how are you judging it to get the best right answer. That's a good point. So maybe a lot of what's happening with miscommunications and whatnot is that some people are thinking further down the road. Other people are thinking right now, some people are talking about this particular subject. Somebody else is talking about a nuanced version that's over here. Yeah. So yeah, so that there's too many metrics is how you said. Yeah. And but they're all good. Yeah. There I mean they're really they really are all good I want to do this for blah blah blah. That's awesome. How do you pay for it? Those are the conversations. Instead of arguing about who's right, it's trying to figure out how do you make something work. Yeah. And because if you get the paralysis by analysis on that type stuff, where then it becomes personal and everybody's clapping their heads, maybe you're wrong. You're. And then we start name calling and then it degrades. Exactly. And my philosophy in general is I'm going to hold 95% of stuff with an open hand. Right. There's going to be 5% that I'm going to hold with the closed hand where I'm like, oh, here's what I think. But I remember when I was in college, I was going to be a teacher, and I got to take a class, from Pat Peter, who is, former mayor. Dave Beta is his dad. Oh, okay. And Pat was awesome, but he gave you enough room to go hard charging this way only to correct down the road. And I remember, there was a kid that got kicked out of, I think it was East Junior High for having an orange mohawk. And I remember well, you should bro la. But through the course of one semester, my philosophy on it totally changed. And I was like, the kid's got an orange mohawk. Okay. Is it distracting for a little bit? Is it more distracting to to make him a mohawk martyr? Because here's the thing. Nobody cares about his orange mohawk next week, right? They just don't care. Yeah, something else will happen. Something else will grab attention, and then they'll do a different color because all he's doing is looking for attention. Sure. And guess what? That's okay. Good days. Yeah, I do, I feel like there are people in my life that I feel like if if it was, if it's up to us and the conversations that we have, we could solve the world's problems. And I feel like you're one of those people that that you're you're open enough and you're willing. And I think it's curiosity like, that's the biggest thing. If you can approach any of these things with curiosity instead of immediately being like, oh, you're you think that way, you're bad or you're wrong instead of like, okay, help me understand it from your perspective. That's the key. It's hard. I love the episode we had with Jeremy Shin, was fantastic because he really nailed that at a very high level of vision where he's like, I want to hear, how did you get to that conclusion? Like, walk me through your logic, walk me through your worldview because I can gleans I might not agree with you, but I want to know how you got there, because there's certain things in there where I'm like, oh, that is important. Well, how can I reconcile the thing that you hold as very important? And the thing that I hold is really important? Can I reconcile them? Yeah. And if I can't, why what's underneath that, that that is the, the incongruence. And it's. Those are hard conversations. Yeah. I mean relationships are hard. People are complicated. What? Yeah. That's so weird. Can we, can we talk to us a little bit about prior guests and just things that stick out for you? Because you you quietly listen to everything. And by the way, hopefully people have picked up on the fact that occasionally there'll be laughter and the whole studio is you can hear laughter clearly. It's not just me laughing or the guest laughing. So we have people in the room and that's you interrogating and laughing at my two producers. And and I love it when when the whole room erupts in some sort of emotion. That's one of those are my favorite parts is when things like that happen. But tell me some of your favorite either moments or guests or things. I'm kind of putting you on the spot because this is also not, I don't I it's so it's a unique thing where I'm forced to listen, but I'm also intentionally listening. So I'm looking for nuggets. And my one of my big things is, man, if you're looking for it, you're going to find it. If you're looking for something negative to bitch about, you're going to find it. If you're looking for something positive, you're going to find it because it's always there. So the the nuggets out of this podcast as a whole, it is about connectivity. It is about community. It is about, something bigger than you. Which I mean, I love. So the Common Ground gals, I loved their podcast. Like watching Dawn. They get emotional. It's one of my favorite moments. I mean, it was so raw and so pure and so good. Yeah. Did you tear up during that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was getting choked up talking about. But that's again, that goes back to the connectivity. Yeah. Because it was so pure. It drew you in and you cannot help but get emotional about it because he's getting emotional. So when I'm doing work and it's something that's kind of a serious thing like fundraising stuff or whatever, when I can get somebody to get emotional and they get all embarrassed and I'm like, no, no, no, no, that is solid gold. Because it's pure and it's it's connective and it draws people in to the story because it's real. Yeah. I only think about best moments and and moments that I get very excited about that. You're exactly right. It's it's there's some sort of emotion that was involved with it. Yeah. Humor's good. Yes. Emotion is better. Yeah. Because humor me I'm, I'm an expert at this. That's my defensive mechanism not me. I certainly don't I will crack it when it gets too serious I will crack a joke. Can I just ask you a little bit about like your job. Like sitting in this room, like what is what is it like being behind the board and doing because you're you're paying attention to, like, if we say something that's particular interesting, you're writing it down and you're making note of it. And, and so you're doing all these things behind the scene. I'm not sitting here talking. I'm like, that guy's busy. He's doing something. Kerrigan's busy. She's doing something. So can you help me understand a little bit like what it is that you're doing? So I'm looking for the story moments that will grab people's attention. I'm looking for funny moments. I'm looking for emotive moments. But I'm writing down so that I have a roadmap of what the content was and how it, coincides with timing so that I can go find it later. So I'm doing on the on the post end of this, I'm going through and I will edit the podcast as an audio form, and I'll take out certain things, the UMS and the others and the like. I'll take some of that stuff out, but I don't take it all out. And I mean, I don't I'm intentional about that because I still want I want it to be authentic and real. And if it's too polished, that's if there's one thing that social media has taught me, it's don't be too polished, which is hard for me sometimes. That's the other element that I'm looking for is social media nuggets. To just give you a little bit of a, of an impression of what's this podcast about? My goal is to present a podcast that is informative and entertaining. And it goes back to those rules of being informative, being entertaining to be quiet. So what is it about the podcast that will get people to listen? How do I position something to where somebody might share it? Is it a funny moment? And that at the end of the day, most of them are funny, but like the Don Dane and Kara, I highlighted that where he got emotional because it was so good. Yeah. Uncomfortable, right? I'm sure that he was like, oh my gosh. It's like we always did that. But it was good. Well, that and one of my other favorite moments was your sister. Yeah. And she, she admitted to and she bumbled a word or something like that. I was so funny. And that is one of my favorite. I literally and remember I'm in the podcast like I've already I lived it. I am when I relive, when I relived that moment, it was, I threw my head back, I started laughing, Clint was in the car with me, the both of us. We started laughing. It was like, what a great moment. And it was completely. It was just an error, but something that maybe an unskilled editor might slice completely. And what's funny is what you heard wasn't how it actually happened in real life. Really? No. It was. I edited and made that so that the continuity of it made more sense. Oh, interesting. So there's some of it that got edited out, and then I moved some of it a little bit. Oh that's funny. Yeah. And that's, I mean that's that's masterful. It's a craft. And I love it because again, I lived it and I guess I didn't pay attention to what exactly. Oh that happens all the time. I will get done on the podcast. And Clint will ask me what what was it about? And I'll be like, I was so in the moment, I don't know. So I get I get really excited to listen to them because I'm like, oh, I get to actually experience at this time. And, you know, I it's sometimes very it's hard to listen to yourself like it's hard to you know, but but there's also a lesson in that too. It's okay to bumble. It's okay to be a goober. Yes. People forget. That's one of the lessons that I learned in radio. Don't ever highlight the oops that you did five seconds ago. They're on to the next thing. So when people get really, really self-conscious about silly things. Oh my gosh, I can't believe I did that. Two minutes later, they're like, what you did, I didn't even catch that. They caught it in real time. And then the next shiny thing came up and they were onto that. Well, I'm going to hope that I don't bumble this. I'm going to the pressure. The pressure? Raise your eyebrows. Oh, no. It's fine when you sing it now, I'm really nervous. You'll knock it off. I would like to thank our sponsors. Well, our sponsor, why do I? I was at an to that, too. I do that every time because it has an s on the end of it. Samsung's I guess so our sponsor now that sounds good. Now keep going I like it okay. This episode okay. Yeah. You're really. That's okay. All right. No I'm leaving you. I think this episode is brought to you by the Am zones, your local source for garden, pet and planet friendly products. And much like the stories shared on this podcast, Samsung's is rooted in the people, families, and moments that shape the treasure Valley. Visit Zazmzows.com or stop by one of our 12 local locations. Nobody knows like Zamzows. Good job I did it. You did it! Yay! Thanks for all your coaching with that, by the way. You're welcome. Although I every time that I do that now, because you mentioned to me, when I go into that, I go into a different radio voice. You do. But I don't even realize it. That's the way that that people do. I mean, there's when I'm on TV or radio commercials, it's a different cadence, a different style of voice. All right. Well, let me see it. Let me see it. Let me see your script. All right. So if I was to go into my radio. Announcer. This episode is brought to you by Zamzows, your local source for garden, pet and planet friendly products. And much like the stories shared on this podcast, Zamzows is rooted in the people, families, and the moments that shape the Treasure Valley. Visit Zamzows.com or stop by one of their 12 local locations. There's a there's a shift in it, right? It's like more professional. Yeah. That's exactly. Oh, boy. All right, well, are you, are you ready for the rapid fire? Rapid? Sharing is caring section. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but this is where I ask. I've heard about it. It's where I ask you a few rapid fire questions. But as I say, it doesn't have to be rapid fire. I know it takes the pressure off, right? I'm very quick with my words. So, I have a couple that I'm going to add in here. I was thinking about I was just getting ready today. So let's start off with a favorite book, podcast or a quote that has influenced you recently. I'm going to call back to the the I was it George Bernard Shaw, the torch quote. Oh, there was I was one on one. It was on your podcast. I can't remember. I can't remember it was anyway. It was I loved it. It was awesome. But the green lights, what was it, Matt Adams? Yes. Yes, yes it was. Yeah. I loved that quote because I, I love the way he read it. Oh, yeah. I really, really enjoyed the Green Lights book by Matthew McConaughey. It highlighted the power of audio presentation versus print. And that's something that when I'm working on copy for writing something, I have to be aware of the the difference. Is it being written for print or is it being written to be quote performed? Because when you're doing it, when you're doing an audio voiceover, you are performing it. You know, it doesn't. It sounds kind of weird, but it is. It's a performance and it's there's a musical quality to it. And that really I was like, oh, that's it. The bulb light bulb above my head. Oh, I love those moments. Okay. This is an this is a this and this is I hope this is not one where you're going to be like, oh, we just cut this whole thing. Cancel the podcast. You've listened to a lot of lyrics in your life. I'm curious as to. Do you have some favorite lyrics? Oh, man. Or even, like, a favorite line in the song or something like that? Oh, there's so many answers to that. I know. So I got excited when I thought about it this morning as I was blow drying my hair. It's like, that's a great. That is a that is a great. I probably should have given you a heads up on that because there's I know that there's a bunch. Part of my problem is I'm a little bit A.D.D., and so my attention is, like all over the place, but like, in the moment, there'll be times where I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so good. Are you a person that will play a song and then replay the song and then replace it? Because sometimes you just it hits you a certain way. You're like, I got to hear it again. Yeah, yeah. Here's a vulnerable moment when I got divorced. Super hard. And there were a few songs that just crushed me. I feel that, but the but they became all twisted into something like. So, I have a pretty deep faith, but thy will be Done is a song that just crushed me because it's about holy crap, life sucks and it's so hard, and sometimes it goes in a certain direction where you're like, this is not how I scripted this, and I it's so dumb, but it's so good. There was a sign that said, thy will be done that I found at Walmart, and I put it in my bathroom right in front of my toilet. Because I at that time in my life, I needed to be reminded. I heard you put it in a place where you would be reminded regularly that I would say it was weird to take it down, but for for the and again, it's it's a chapter, right? Yeah. But the story of what that helped me with was there's something bigger than you and it'll be okay. All right. Next question. What advice would you give to someone who wants to get better at storytelling? Record yourself. Listen back to it. And so this is twofold. Record yourself and then transcribe it. Oh it's brutal. Oh my gosh it is. I was in a deposition one time where they transcribed everything. And then you have to read it and say yes this is what I said. And good luck. All right. Final question. Well, not the final. Final. You know, there's still one more coming. Are there any rules to that final question? Well, we'll get to that. Okay, so this is the. Everyday's a new day. It's great. This is the last of the sharing is caring okay. And I think I've confused a couple of back guests by saying that because I think people are waiting for that question. And I think it's throwing them off. Anyway, this is not the final question. Something outside of work that's bringing you joy these days. Who? I would say my kids. Like, just watching them become young adults is really cool. And it's really hard. So I struggle with that a lot, actually. Yeah. Because it's an interesting time. My my role as dad is waning. Yeah. And so, I mean, I'll always be dad, but there's the dependents. Like my youngest is 16, but she is so dialed in, it is unbelievable. She's gonna take over the world. Like, she's so smart and so organized and like, everything that I wish I could be. She's she's it. And I'm just like and I, I'm constantly like I am so proud of you. Even this morning I was like I'm so proud of you. Will you do the dishes when you get home. I love you. Booking some coffee and such. That's awesome. I find that I, I say I'm so proud of you, Tara. And I feel like I. It's, like, trite, like I'm just saying the same thing over and over again. Except for every time I say it, I mean it from the bottom of my heart. Sometimes I'm so swelled up with pride and just or that I can hardly contain myself. And then I'd send, you know, something real meaningful. Like a text. I'm sure proud of you, honey. I think, though, I went to a seminar and they were talking about leadership and and the power of parenting and how all those are additive. And it was it was a pretty profound realization of like, all that stuff adds up and it it shows up when they need it. And that I think that's true in anything. I mean, I, I, I love coaching, so I get to coach kids, alter my, my kids, kid them. And I love doing that where you can just invest in a kid and, and have them see in the mirror who you see that. I love that. Okay. Oh it's time. Time. This is what we ask all of our guests. There are no rules and some people can know this okay. And it can be about you or anything else. You. Oh all right, well then let me ask it to. Truths in a lie. Ooh. And then if you want, I'll unpack. All right. Well, maybe I'm going to change up the question. You don't even know why or know. I'm not changing up. What is something, Jody, that nobody knows. Okay. Option A, I, have my pilot's license. Option B, I almost got arrested for robbing a bank. Option C I sang karaoke with a 90s, of a 90s country music star with the country music star. Oh, I'm eliminating the middle one. I just don't see you as a bank robber. Thank you. You're welcome. But you could totally be a pilot. And if I remember correctly, you have a lot of pictures of planes and whatnot, don't you, in your. I do, yeah. So that could very well be. But I'm going with option C. Okay. I know. Option one is the lie. Although, plan A for Jody's life was to go to the Air Force Academy. Oh, I was all signed up to go, and then I pivoted out. So I did not. I do not have my pilot's license. However, I have crash landed a hot air balloon. That's pretty much the same, right? True story. It was weird. In the Boise foothills, it was. I've been crash landed in a. Yeah, and it was very uncomfortable. We all went flying out of it, and we it literally ate dirt. It was something c we share that never seems like a rare story, but, you know. So option two I did almost get arrested for robbing a bank. What? Yeah. It was just kind of weird. So it's. It's a funny story, though. I'm driving my mom's station wagon. So have you seen Stranger Things? Yes. You know the station wagon? The. Did they run? Yes. So imagine that. But instead of blue, it's like cream. Okay. Same. Same thing. Mercury. 1984 wooden panel sides. Oh it's epic. So. But we had taken the motor out of it and put a different motor, a high performance motor, into it. So it was actually pretty fast. Oh my gosh. So I'm driving to Chuck's Auto supply to get a part for my Mustang, which is my first car. And I make I'm following this guy down Overland Road and he's not going fast enough. And so I'm like, you and I go around him and they're like, I'm sure that this big station wagon inside this side wasn't conspicuous at all. So I pull into this Chuck's parking lot and a white car pulls in behind me very quickly and then stops and I'm like, what's going on? So I've got a big insulated Maverick mug full of iced tea that I'm drinking. So I'm trying to put it down, and it's not like it keeps falling over. And I'm like, gosh dang it. So I finally put it on the floor and it and it stays standing. I get out of the car and there's a gentleman that is standing. He's got the car door open and he's standing in kind of the, the opening of to get into the car like he hasn't moved forward. Okay. Hey. Can you how's it going? I'm a great how are you? And he's like great. And I'm like, this is weird. So he says, can you go ahead and just, stay right there by the car? And I'm like, sure. And my brain's like, okay, I've seen this on TV where the guy is using the door as a shield, except for the part where I'm not the bad guy. So I'm like, so he says, you got, you got a license on you. And I'm like, yeah. And so I go over to hand in my driver's license, and as I'm handing him, I'm moving very slow as I hand him the driver's license, he's got his hand behind his back. And as he reaches forward, he's got his gun drawn. Oh my God. And I'm like, what's going on? And it's like, nothing. Just go ahead and step back to your car. And I'm like, okay. So I literally sit down on the bumper of the station wagon and all these other cars come screaming into the parking lot. The gal jumps out with gun drawn. I'm like, what is going on? So he's fast forward five minutes and they figure it out and I'm like, what is going on? And he's like, well, there was a somebody that robbed a key bank down the street and they were on foot. And I'm like, and you saw me being Mister Cool guy driving that station wagon. And we're like, well, that doesn't fit. And he's like, no, but he was, let me tell you the description of the guy. So I'm I'm dressed. I'm wearing I've got a goatee, I've got an Atlanta Braves hat on backwards. So dark hat, I've got a blue shirt on and I've got shorts on jean shorts because it was the 90s. Were they cuffed? No. Oh, okay. But my sleeves were. I'm sure. That's good. And he said, let me tell you the description of the guy. And he's like, dark blue hat on backwards goatee, blue shirt pants and fit the same built, like shorter guy, kind of a stocky build. And I'm like, Holy cow. It was crazy. That's insane. So. And then and scary. Oh yeah. Then they all laughed and I went into this shucks. And everybody's like, giving me the side eye. Like what the meaning. That's a great answer. I can tell you for some time and effort into that. It's a fun story. It is. There's people that know that. I didn't know that. Yeah. And the third one was true to the case. Oh, yeah. So there were 2 to 2 truths in a lie. Oh, you did say to trust that, I'm listening right? That's not good for a podcast that doesn't listen. Well, I should probably work on that. That. Jodi, thank you for being on. Well, not just on this show today, but being the person who makes me sound good and makes the guests sound amazing, and who coaches and who tells all the fun stories in between. It's just it's delightful working with you. It is one of my very favorite things right now is doing these podcasts with you and Kerigan. I just I love it, so thank you not only for being on today, but for for being being my right hand man. You bet. I love it. This is a great podcast and I love I love the stories that are being told on it. It's an honor to be part of it. Well, it's really fun. So thank you. Okay. If you enjoyed today's conversation, please follow the podcast and leave a review. And next week we'll hear from another incredible voice shaping the Treasure Valley. That's so awesome. We need our sound guy. Press the button. Sliders do hot. Oh my gosh. All right, until then, we'll talk to you next time. Thanks for listening. 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